Saturday, December 16, 2017

Apparently income isn't just income any more

The group of us that published the "Tax Games" piece is hard at work drafting a follow-up that preliminarily evaluates the extent to which the sorts of problems that we identified with the House and Senate bills have been addressed, ignored, or worsened under the conference agreement. To be honest, several others in the group are much harder at work on it than I am at the moment (I'm in Munich in the aftermath of a quite interesting, interdisciplinary international tax conference at the Max Planck Institute), but I will try to chip in as well.

I will post the link here when it's available, hopefully soon. We have an aim of posting it before the bill is voted into law, in part lest anyone in Congress whose vote isn't entirely pre-committed might actually care about what the legislation does. (No, we are not deluded about the probabilities in this respect, but if we weren't idealistic we wouldn't be bothering with this to begin with.)

But I wanted to follow up here on a point that I mentioned in my last post, and that was brought to my attention by co-authors (who were looking at the bill while it was the middle of the night here in Munich).  It pertains to the special exclusion in the passthrough provision of architects and engineers from the list of personal service businesses that automatically can't, past a specified income level, take advantage of the special 20% deduction for passthrough income.

When the House was initially drafting the passthrough rule, there was a provision excluding business owners who worked in personal service businesses from claiming the special low rate. Now, this never made sense from the beginning. There was some sort of a clumsily mal-expressed intent in the House bill to separate out pure labor income a bit, and deny it the benefits of the special rule, apparently on the view that it was kinda like employee wages.

Now, this never actually made any sense. Capital income already was effectively exempted under the bill due to expensing, and so the special rate was really for labor income that was intermingled with capital income. It was a way of giving, say, real estate, oil and gas, retail, manufacturing, etc., lower tax rates than doctors, lawyers, and such. (Plus, the idle business heir who is busy skiing in Gstaad gets the special rate.) So I wouldn't call it very principled even if there was a sort of woolly rationale lying underneath.

Even the House bill really did amount to saying that work - labor - wages in the economic sense - would get lower tax rates in some businesses than others, for no reason beyond Congressional favoritism. But one could imagine that someone imagined they were drawing a coherent line of some kind for some reason. Hence, for example, the absurdly misguided attempt to deny the full benefit to people who were materially participating under the passive loss rules - arguably aimed at implementing the underlying idea, badly confused though it was, that this was somehow about lowering the tax rate for capital income rather than labor income.

If one squinted at it that way, one could almost see a rationale for excluding the personal service businesses that would be sincere to a degree, even if fallacious and incoherent. But how to define personal service businesses that would be cordoned off (subject, of course, to their playing games such as renting buildings to themselves)? Easy, they found a list in an existing tax statute that had defined personal service businesses for a wholly different purpose, and that does actually look like a good faith effort to draw up a comprehensive list, including most of the obvious candidates and then with a catchall phrase at the end for the rest.

Not only doctors, lawyers, athletes, consultant, etc., but also architects and engineers, were on this list. But then something happened in conference. They decided to strike architects and engineers from the list of personal service businesses for purposes of determining eligibility for the 20% passthrough deduction. No explanation offered, so far as I can see.

Here's an illustration of what this means in practice. A doctor and an architect are both in the 37% bracket. Each then earns an extra $100,000.  The doctor pays an extra $37,000 of tax. The architect manages to structure the receipt as qualified business income that gets a 20% deduction. Hence, the architect has only $80,000 of extra taxable income and pays only $29,600 of extra tax. The doctor's marginal rate is 37%, the architect's is 29.6%.

There is no whisper of a rationale for this. They had a list of personal service businesses that they didn't make up themselves, and even if using it didn't make sense to begin with, at least they were just plugging it in, as it stood. Now two favored professions have been taken off the list, apparently because someone with influence over the final product wanted to benefit architects and engineers relative to doctors, lawyers, athletes, consultants, etc.

As it happens, they may have bungled this effort to exclude architects and engineers, through incompetent drafting. The personal service business exclusion still applies to "any trade or business where the principal asset of such trade or business is the reputation or skill of one or more of its employees or owners." (The words "or owners" were newly added in the conference version.) Wouldn't that generally apply to architects and engineers? But they certainly seem to have meant to take out architects and engineers, and even with the bungled drafting - no doubt, just one of dozens or even hundreds of examples, if one carefully read the bill as a whole - that might influence its interpretation by the Treasury, IRS, and courts. So let us credit them with deliberately taking out architects and engineers, on the view that they should have a lower tax rate than doctors, lawyers, consultants, and athletes, without prejudging how this bungled drafting job is actually best interpreted.

This is in effect industrial policy, although we haven't as yet learned why Congress should use the tax code to direct business activity away from medicine and into architecture and engineering. But of course to call it industrial policy would verge on granting that there was an underlying policy aim, however misguided. (Does someone think that there are negative externalities to healthcare and/or positive ones, under-compensated by the market, that are particular to architecture and engineering?) On the other hand, corrupt explanations, at least in the colloquial (as distinct from legally punishable) sense, come readily to mind.

This gets to why I titled this blog post "Apparently income isn't just income any more." Congress appears to be moving towards creating lists of professions and businesses that should get higher versus lower tax rates. It's not just a matter of, say, more favorable cost recovery rules in one profession rather than another. Now actual labor income (with sufficiently well-advised structuring) gets different marginal tax rates, depending on whether it's earned in a business that Congress likes more, or one that it likes less. And this is completely ad hoc and decided on in secret, without even a statement of broader underlying rationales. A dollar isn't just a dollar - its tax rate depends on whether and how much Congress likes the relevant trade group.

I put a marker down early in the game, when I said that the passthrough rules looked like the worst provision ever even to be seriously proposed in the history of the federal income tax. I'm feeling increasingly vindicated as the legislation proceeds through Congress, and I anticipate (without pleasure) that this feeling will only grow as we see the provision play out in practice across real time.

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Professor Shaviro,
I regret discovering your blog only now. I appreciate your efforts to shed light on what I view as the most misguided bit of tax legislation that I can recall in over 30 years of practicing law. Like you, I have been struggling, without success, to find some underlying policy or rationale for the pass-through provisions that sadly have found their way into the conference bill. I think your conclusion that they are directed at taxpayers who are "liked by the Congressional Republican leadership" is fairly accurate, though after listening to Senator Johnson's whining about how unfair the pass-through rates are compared to the proposed corporate rate, I start to think that terms such as "legislative theft" might be more appropriate. I will happily prepare and file Senator Johnson's Form 8832 to convert his family's S corp to a C corp for free. Something tells me has no intention of accepting that offer.

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My nomination for "the worst provision ever even to be seriously proposed in the history of the federal income tax" is the Domestic Production Activities Deduction, Section 199, the repeal of which may be the silver lining to this otherwise clouded legislation. I think Section 199 slipped through unnoticed when it was enacted a decade or so ago. I still don't understand it; I just "follow the form" when I have a client who qualifies. It comes out to 9 percent of something, so I suppose it's only about half as bad as the new deduction that comes out to 20 percent of something.

But you will notice that there is an exception in old Section 199 for architects and engineers. The policy seems to be, "if we are going to give a special deduction to the builders, we need to give one to the people who bring the blueprints." The repeal of Section 199 takes away a deduction that architects and engineers have enjoyed. If they were not included as beneficiaries of new Section 199A, who knows how many federal buildings would mysteriously collapse in a few years?

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Those professions are so linked to capital investment, and the bill wants to makes us as competitive as Asia.

Anonymous said...

I would say that it is obvious that "the worst provision ever even to be seriously proposed in the history of the federal income tax" is the 16th Amendment.

Unknown said...

Prof. Shaviro,
Thank you for your explication of the nearly inscrutable. I fully expect various economic consulting firms to restructure themselves engineering consultancies.

I have not seen a federal tax bill that has made any real economic sense since the Tax Reform Act of 1986. The current bill just adds to the cynicism. The deadweight loss to society from our tax code is significant - we incentivize way too much business and individual behavior to focus on tax avoidance, rather than productive behavior. High marginal rates then increase the potential benefits of and generate more lobbying for new targeted preferences. All why raising insufficient revenue - even during positive economic growth and full employment - to cover anything close to the current federal budget.

Do you have suggestions on papers proposing a relatively "clean" tax system, with lower rates, more uniform treatment of income from capital, labor, land and intellectual property, and fairer treatment of intergenerational equities?

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*1)WESTERN UNION TRANSFERS/MONEY GRAM TRANSFER*
*2)BANKS LOGINS*
*3)BANKS TRANSFERS*
*4)CRYPTO CURRENCY MINNING*
*5)BUYING OF GIFT CARDS*
*6)LOADING OF ACCOUNTS*
*7)WALMART TRANSFERS*
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*9)REMOVING OF NAME FROM DEBIT RECORD AND CRIMINAL RECORD*
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email blankatmmasterusa@gmail.com
you can also call or whatsapp us Contact us today for more enlightenment

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